DPR intelligence reports on the completion of the development of a plan of attack on the Donbass by the General Staff of the Ukrainian army

February 1 2022 85

The People's Militia Department of the DPR informs about the receipt of new intelligence data on the military planning of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to Colonel Eduard Basurin, deputy head of the DPR NM Department, intelligence reports that the Ukrainian command has completed the development of a plan for an offensive operation in the Donbass.

According to Eduard Basurin, the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Sergei Shaptala, is preparing to present the developed offensive plan to the commander of the Joint Forces Operation, Alexander Pavlyuk, this week. Also, the points of the plan will be brought to the attention of the commanders of the Sever and Vostok OTG, whose military personnel are concentrated in the Donbass.

Eduard Basurin notes that in the end, the plan developed by the General Staff of the Ukrainian army will end up in the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, where it can be finally approved.

At the same time, it is noted that the concentration of forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass is being increased. At the same time, units from various regions of the country, including the western ones, are being transferred to the region. The brigades that are already in the JFO zone are under staffing and regrouping. There is a constant delivery of weapons and ammunition to the conflict zone. There is no question of any observance of the Minsk agreements by the Ukrainian side.

The preparation of Ukrainian troops for an offensive operation cannot leave the people's republics of Donbass indifferent. Eduard Basurin, a representative of the DPR UNM, said that the Donetsk People's Republic reserves the right to seek military assistance from the Russian Federation.

Recall that earlier the State Duma of the Russian Federation for consideration submitted an initiative to appeal to President Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR.

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tralflot1832

+12

1 February 2022 13: 43

Basurin said that other countries, not only Russia, are ready to provide military technical assistance.
1. sustav75
  
  0
  
  1 February 2022 13: 54
  
  Is it like South Ossetia and Abkhazia? This great DPR intelligence missed the murder of its leader Zakharchenko! How much can you push! In the wake of the Bandera "operational information" is thrown away ?! What will start! Russia will naturally help. Without any threats to super duper sanctions. But lured by the West, ukram, oh, how you don’t want to die. In order for a Ukrainian to risk his life, he must be very interested. Apart from the idiots of course.
  1. neurostimulator
    
    -2
    
    1 February 2022 22: 32
    
    You are engaged in provocations and rudeness. You should now apologize to those people.
    1. sustav75
      
      -1
      
      2 February 2022 13: 37
      
      Do you imagine yourself uncle Kadyrov?! Laughing out loud...
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        
        0
        
        2 February 2022 21: 22
        
        I wonder if the attack will take place this time or will it be canceled again? Preparation, it seems. extremely serious!
  2. 1Alexey
    
    -1
    
    2 February 2022 11: 19
    
    Quote: sustav75
    In order for a Ukrainian to risk his life, he must be very interested.
    
    Most likely, this will be another unrealized plan, developed, I think, under pressure from the Americans.
    
    The development of such plans by Ukraine is, most likely, an attempt to play for time so as not to contradict America, and not to fight with Russia, which they are actually very afraid of (including for the Donbass).
    
    But vigilance, of course, does not hurt!
2. Anachoret
  
  +6
  
  1 February 2022 14: 00
  
  If Zelya is not finished, but he seems to be from a "professorial" family) he must understand that any offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine will turn into another defeat, disappointment among the population of Ukraine and a quick loss of power by force)
  Where will he hide in such a scheme? It is not clear) the mattresses have repeatedly expressed their dissatisfaction with him in "carrying out reforms" and for not extraditing Kolomoisky)
  Yes, and Rostov is not rubber and is unlikely to be accepted after another bloodshed in the Donbass
  1. The black
    
    +14
    
    1 February 2022 14: 22
    
    If Zelya is not finished, but he seems to be from a "professorial" family)
    Zelya is long gone
    must understand that any offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will turn into another rout,
    
    This he understands. He understands that he is with his pack of pigs, who are destined to be sent to the slaughter. (Hence the lack of determination and squeals that contradict one another).
    If he does not comply with the order of the owners, they will replace him with a proven chocolate pig.
    1. Anachoret
      
      +3
      
      1 February 2022 14: 59
      
      There, in fact, two chocolate pigs claim leadership)) the former, which produces chocolates) and the lover of "kneading chocolate" of young blue-eyed bearded blondes Avakov))
      1. The black
        
        +12
        
        1 February 2022 15: 03
        
        There, in fact, two chocolate pigs claim leadership)) the former, which produces chocolates) and love to “knead chocolate” Avakov))
        
        I bet on a drunken pig. No wonder he was given the command to return to the pigsty, and the current stoner was categorically forbidden to touch him ... The blue pig is so, to look after the main pigs
        
        NDR-791
        
        +2
        
        1 February 2022 15: 41
        
        Quote: Black
        I bet on a drunken pig.
        
        Hmm, even the unnamed once said - "You can work with Poroshenko." Another thing is what territory he will rule this time?
        
        Alexander widerkehr
        
        -10
        
        1 February 2022 21: 02
        
        What are all the brave sitting at the computer. I think all of you, if the mess begins, will be the first to rush to the attack.
        There would be more like you and all the pigs would rush to run after reading war cries. Gather in the morning and go to the military registration and enlistment office or the gut is thin?
        
        Albert1988
        
        -2
        
        1 February 2022 21: 59
        
        Quote from Alexander Widerkehr
        What are all the brave sitting at the computer. I think all of you, if the mess begins, will be the first to rush to the attack.
        
        Dear, if, as you said, "mess" begins, then 9M723, 9M728, 3M14, X-55, X-101 and other charms will be the first to attack...
        By the way, they are managed by those who are "at the computer".
        Well, after them, there will be so "many" left of the brave Armed Forces of Ukraine that no one will personally go on the attack with a high probability ...
        
        Alexander widerkehr
        
        -5
        
        2 February 2022 13: 00
        
        Analyze what you wrote. Suppose after using what you have listed. Part of the population will die. You can't do without it. And then what? Guerrilla war? Stalin could not cope with his executions. Only after the expulsion to Siberia did the population cope relatively well.
        
        Albert1988
        
        0
        
        2 February 2022 18: 52
        
        Quote from Alexander Widerkehr
        Suppose after using what you have listed. Part of the population will die.
        
        We hit non-nuclear warheads on exclusively military targets with high-precision weapons - losses among civilians are minimal.
        Quote from Alexander Widerkehr
        And then what? Guerrilla war?
        
        Wake up! Ukrovermacht with its morale will simply scatter - half to the west into caches, half to surrender to the east))) And then there are already different options for resolving the situation, including political ones.
        Why do you think they are so hysterical in the West? Because they understand very well. that if it starts - Ukraine will not last even a week, Russia will take everything that is needed with very little blood, not only from its side. but also from the side of Ukraine, and then the alignment is not at all favorable to the West ...
        
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        suhorukofal
        
        +2
        
        2 February 2022 09: 08
        
        Stunned, I heard about cockroach races. But here there are pig races, and what else - the participants of the pig are drunk, chocolate. Even Svidomo public became agitated, they could not pass indifferently.
    2. Alex777
      
      +10
      
      1 February 2022 15: 45
      
      Quote: Black
      If he does not comply with the order of the owners, they will replace him with a proven chocolate pig.
      
      Everything will be fine with Zelensky. To my great regret.
      Although he is a complete scoundrel, but the task of spoiling the Olympics
      he seems to do it. The states won't give it up. Settled in retirement.
      And we don't seem to be bored. But a terrible end is better
      than all this horror without end in the Donbass. IMHO.
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      1. suhorukofal
        
        +6
        
        2 February 2022 08: 57
        
        Quote from Alexander Widerkehr
        Gather in the morning and go to the military registration and enlistment office or the gut is thin?
        
        Wow, how ominous. The gut is obviously thick, only a true hero and warrior of light can speak with such disdain!!!111
        
        Although no, paratrooper, your landing here has recently increased especially, the most capable warriors, you love this kind of "war", don't run away from this one.
        
        Alexander widerkehr
        
        -4
        
        2 February 2022 12: 03
        
        What is my arrogance? So you're going to the military enlistment office? Or will you scare the pigs with horror stories? In general, do you understand that this is my joke on all the "dared men" and what is it about? Based on your answer, I don't think you understand. It's a pity !
        
        suhorukofal
        
        +1
        
        2 February 2022 17: 58
        
        Fierce in stupidity. Where did you see horror stories here, you have a sick fantasy and an inferiority complex. Do you say the same to sports football fans? "The gut is thin, why not at the training camp, how brave everyone is." Only here the fans are a bit different, although they are army fans, but they are completely athletic. And you are an offended bawler weakling, who in his impotence can only yell what all the weaklings are.
        
        Alexander widerkehr
        
        -2
        
        2 February 2022 18: 39
        
        Alyoshenka you have big problems with intelligence! This is the result of viewing the comics that you show in the previous message. Although a head injury is possible after disputes with football fans. Therefore, you will never go to the military registration and enlistment office. Wake up to sit in front of the computer and dream that someone would go for you. I feel sorry for you . And even more sorry for your loved ones. Go to a psychologist.
        
        suhorukofal
        
        0
        
        2 February 2022 18: 41
        
        Your destiny is only to bark from afar, you can at least exude in it.
  2. DED_peer_DED
    
    +1
    
    1 February 2022 14: 51
    
    If Zelya is not finished, but like
    
    It was not in vain that our military was transferred to Belarus. Yes, and Yelnya is not just idle there.
    So, if "something" happens, then Zelensky will have only the Presidency of Saturn, and then after the evacuation to his territory.
    1. Anachoret
      
      +5
      
      1 February 2022 15: 00
      
      Unfortunately for him) coke is not mined on Saturn))
      1. DED_peer_DED
        
        -1
        
        1 February 2022 15: 43
        
        Nothing.
        Ukrainian cosmonauts will carry with them in fuel tanks.
      2. neurostimulator
        
        -1
        
        1 February 2022 22: 44
        
        You can't play the "piano with one finger" either))
3. barclay
  
  0
  
  1 February 2022 14: 04
  
  The weak side of the LDNR is that they are not recognized. And all military technical assistance for them is a violation of international laws. Ceeuropa, as recognized (some kind of ) the state can openly accept any help in any amount from anyone, and for them this is not a problem.
  And we have to do everything in secret paths. That way you won't help much. So heavy losses of the LDNR at the beginning of the offensive are inevitable. But then - everything depends on the political will of Russia. By recognizing the LDNR, we will prevent an offensive.
  Of course, we will "heap" on them, but at what cost will it be ... The Americans only dream of it.
  There are two outputs:
  the first is to negotiate with the United States
  the second is to recognize LDNR
  Otherwise, we will definitely wait for an attack on the Donbass, if not today, then in six months, a year, etc.
  1. 1976AG
    
    +9
    
    1 February 2022 14: 36
    
    Even though we recognize the LDNR, at least not, nothing will change in terms of their defense capability. It makes no sense to supply them with serious weapons systems, since for this purpose they must first train personnel, and they already have enough conventional systems. And then, in the event of a serious mess, it is our army that will have to force Ukraine to peace, so there is no point in bothering with the supply of weapons.
  2. NDR-791
    
    +2
    
    1 February 2022 15: 45
    
    Quote: barclay
    The weak side of the LDNR is that they are not recognized.
    
    Complete nonsense. We make such decisions in less than a day and in three readings at once. There is experience.
    1. barclay
      
      +1
      
      1 February 2022 15: 51
      
      You did not understand me. At what here HOW such decisions are made?
      I mean that at the moment the republics are not recognized, and for this reason they are in a vulnerable position.
  3. neurostimulator
    
    -1
    
    1 February 2022 22: 45
    
    It's good that you wrote this. Thank you.
ERsytype

-23

1 February 2022 13: 49

When I hear "DPR intelligence reports," it comes to mind that "British scientists have made another discovery."
1. DymOk_v_dYmke
  
  +11
  
  1 February 2022 14: 00
  
  Quote: ERsytype
  When I hear "DPR intelligence reports," it comes to mind that "British scientists have made another discovery."
  
  I believe that Basurin voices not only the DPR intelligence data, but also the data of friendly intelligence services without highlighting them.
  1. Speedy
    
    +8
    
    1 February 2022 15: 32
    
    Well, it is impossible to underestimate the intelligence of the DPR, like the intelligence of the Ukrainians in the Donbass. They have family and friends there. It really is like a civil war. On the phone they report on movements from both sides. Yes, I think both of them have a lot of agents too.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      
      -2
      
      1 February 2022 17: 16
      
      Quote: Sorrow
      Well, it is impossible to underestimate the intelligence of the DPR, like the intelligence of the Ukrainians in the Donbass. They have family and friends there. It really is like a civil war. On the phone they report on movements from both sides. Yes, I think both of them have a lot of agents too.
      
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      1. Speedy
        
        +1
        
        1 February 2022 17: 49
        
        Who is arguing? I even think that it was not just received, but issued with an order of publicity. I even doubt that the DPR intelligence is an independent structure and not a branch of the GRU or the SVR. And I think with might and main uses their family, commercial and so on connections.
Mountain shooter

+16

1 February 2022 13: 51

I would like to know more about ammunition. For artillery preparation, even of medium intensity, echelons of shells are needed. Do they act? Stored? And where can you keep such an amount right on the ground? You can't keep them on the ground for long! It is possible to rake problems with safety, and suddenly a thaw? Yes, and it is dangerous to make such stocks within the reach of enemy artillery. Because the first thing on them and fly.
There is also such a thing as fuel depots. Are stocks made? They should also be near the line, thousands of tons. A tank on one gas station in battle will quickly use it up.
And the fact that the offensive plan of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in our and LDNR General Staff will be earlier than in the National Security and Defense Council of Kiev is a no brainer. And not even in one copy.
1. NDR-791
  
  +2
  
  1 February 2022 15: 48
  
  Quote: Mountain Shooter
  I would like to know more about ammunition. For artillery preparation, even of medium intensity, echelons of shells are needed.
  
  And today I already gave such an example (on the example of the Berlin operation). And he asked the same questions. He was minus to death by two Maidan activists.
  1. Mountain shooter
    
    +4
    
    1 February 2022 15: 56
    
    Quote: NDR-791
    And today I already gave such an example (on the example of the Berlin operation). And he asked the same questions. Was minus to death by two Maidan activists
    
    Yes, Berlin! In the battle near Kursk, the nerves of our military leaders could not stand it. And the echelons of ammunition were fired into the void by our artillery. The Germans have not yet advanced "to the initial" ... If they had delayed the counter-training until the end of the German one, the effect would have been much greater. But nerves, nerves...
    1. NDR-791
      
      +1
      
      1 February 2022 16: 02
      
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But nerves, nerves...
      
      Calm down!!! Now with nerves hoo!!! Years of training, edrit-madrid.
      1. Mountain shooter
        
        +4
        
        1 February 2022 16: 06
        
        Quote: NDR-791
        Calm down!!! Now with nerves hoo!!! Years of training, edrit-madrid
        
        But it is better to conduct a counter-battery fight under the roar of enemy artillery preparation. Well, there is no time to pay attention to the fact that they are shooting at you with a quick fire. And when they shot, it's too late to run away. In a minute, the position will be mixed with black soil. Here, whoever has better intelligence will win. Lot.
        
        NDR-791
        
        +1
        
        1 February 2022 16: 14
        
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But it is better to conduct a counter-battery fight under the roar of enemy artillery preparation.
        
        It's been a long time since of course.
        Here, whoever has better intelligence will win. Lot.
        
        We have them ... in sufficient quantities
2. Cananecat
  
  0
  
  2 February 2022 00: 33
  
  Quote: Mountain Shooter
  I would like to know more about ammunition. For artillery preparation, even of medium intensity, echelons of shells are needed.
  
  It seems to me that there is no question of lengthy preparations ... the main thing is to provoke Russia into retaliatory actions, and nothing more is required from all this Bandera theater of absurdity.
sen

+3

1 February 2022 13: 52

DPR intelligence reports on the completion of the development of a plan of attack on the Donbass by the General Staff of the Ukrainian army

So who wants to attack whom? All the lies of the United States surfaced. We urgently need to put weapons in the Donbass and think over a plan of action ourselves.
Orsis338

-10

1 February 2022 13: 53

Well, in general, why else do you need intelligence from the DPR)
sergo1914

+9

1 February 2022 13: 57

Intelligence of the DPR in the General Staff of Ukraine as at home? Then you need to steal the commander-in-chief. And take them to Rostov. For a collection.
1. NDR-791
  
  +2
  
  1 February 2022 16: 05
  
  Quote: sergo1914
  Then you need to steal the commander-in-chief.
  
  Nobody really needs this trendel. It is necessary to steal journalists who are going to shoot materials for provocations there. Of course after filming, but before editing.
  1. sergo1914
    
    +1
    
    1 February 2022 16: 19
    
    Quote: NDR-791
    Quote: sergo1914
    Then you need to steal the commander-in-chief.
    
    Nobody really needs this trendel. It is necessary to steal journalists who are going to shoot materials for provocations there. Of course after filming, but before editing.
    
    Needed. For a collection.
    1. NDR-791
      
      +2
      
      1 February 2022 16: 25
      
      Quote: sergo1914
      Needed. For a collection.
      
      Uh ... Rostov Zoo filed a new application ???
      1. sergo1914
        
        +1
        
        1 February 2022 16: 27
        
        Quote: NDR-791
        Quote: sergo1914
        Needed. For a collection.
        
        Uh ... Rostov Zoo filed a new application ???
        
        One is not yet a collection. Need more.
        
        NDR-791
        
        0
        
        1 February 2022 16: 37
        
        Quote: sergo1914
        One is not yet a collection. Need more.
        
        As one politician said (later he grew up to pizza sellers) - The main thing is to start, comrades !!!
2. HUNTERDON
  
  +1
  
  1 February 2022 20: 31
  
  No. we don't need them in Rostov for nothing, they only spoil the air.
3. Fission power
  
  0
  
  2 February 2022 11: 51
  
  I believe there are still a lot of pro-Russian people there, and simply those who do not want a war clearly imposed by the United States. No matter how strong the anti-Russian propaganda is, common sense will prevail among sensible people.
Vana Catu

+16

1 February 2022 14: 00

Under the guise, everything is being prepared for the start of the Olympic Games. Some kind of deja vu. I remember in 2008, during Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia, Putin talked with Bush Jr. about the start of the war, to which he replies, pretending to be a hose, that war is bad ... I’m afraid that the situation will repeat itself exactly.
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2. NDR-791
  
  0
  
  1 February 2022 16: 30
  
  Quote: VanaCatu
  Putin talked to Bush Jr. about the beginning of the war, to which he replies, pretending to be a hose, that war is bad ...
  
  History has never taught anyone anything. Bush Jr. their pearls gave out no worse than our Chernomyrdin. They also publish "collections of flying phrases" there. And no one will talk to Bidon - he still can’t say anything except for the sound of pouring fine sand
tihonmarine

+5

1 February 2022 14: 24

The Nazis prepared the plan "Barbarossa-2". A mare that has bitten the bit can only be stopped by a blow to the head with a shaft.
Mobik

+5

1 February 2022 14: 31

Well, the opening of the Olympics will begin. The ovs have such a habit to start any movement during the Olympiad.
Borislav

-5

1 February 2022 14: 34

Some time ago, DPR intelligence announced an impending provocation with the use of chemical weapons.
1. Rushnairfors
  
  +9
  
  1 February 2022 15: 47
  
  Men, of course, I understand that "the red army is the strongest of all", but ...... In August 2008, I had to take part in peace enforcement of one small, but very proud country. I’ll say as a pilot: yes, we unwound them in 6 days, but with all this, we lost an obscenely lot of aviation, and a lot of guys died on the ground. But Ukraine is still not Georgia, layered air defense, including s300, beech, wasp ... they have a lot of MANPADS, including stingers of extreme modifications. There is fighter aviation, even if it is outdated, but it will be able to work effectively against our turntables, attack aircraft and long-range ones. The numerical strength of their Armed Forces significantly exceeds Georgia, the territory of Ukraine is much larger, after the extreme unsuccessful attempts to take the Donbass, they have learned something. Of course, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, we will drive them far and for a long time, but this will not be an easy victory for us, there will be losses on our part, and considerable ones. I'm just speaking from experience.
  PS. By the way, for those who are not only interested in "grunting" on this site, but also think with their heads, I recommend reading aviaforum and forumavia, there is a lot about ukroaviation, in particular, about their raid, repaired equipment, modernization of the fleet, contrary to the articles on VO on these forums, not everything is so joyful for us, the technical equipment is growing, the flight time for pilots has increased on average to 50-70 hours a year, and this is already a level. They regularly process polygons, in Starkon they regularly fly in pairs, which indicates a good flight rate. So I see no reason to breed bravura speeches
  1. huntsman650
    
    -2
    
    1 February 2022 20: 09
    
    A patriot wrote to me here that all air defense systems would be destroyed, and ours would gain dominance in the air and on the ground without any problems)) (
  2. Mikhail Alekseev_2
    
    -1
    
    1 February 2022 22: 00
    
    I doubt that you had to take part in the August 2008 conflict)))
    firstly, the Russian army and, in particular, the Air Force in 2008 are completely different things when compared with the Russian army and Air Force in 2022. Therefore, then the losses of the Air Force were quite predictable, unfortunately
    secondly - I myself was there and I remember what crap was going on, there was no connection - it used to be transmitted by cellular orders, a terrible mess. And they were able to do everything quickly. True, the Georgians are really no warriors - so I don’t consider the victory over them some kind of super victory
    thirdly, the Georgians, for all their cowardice, are still one nation, and the ukrofermacht consists of various communities - many including Russians. Of course, there are stoned ones - but the main part will run just like the Georgians - few people want to fight there. The main part of the military came there precisely for a salary and not to fight and die for Bandera.
    No one says that there will be no losses - but if everything is left as it is, then the losses will be even greater
    1. Rushnairfors
      
      +2
      
      2 February 2022 06: 05
      
      And I'm not going to prove anything to you. To be honest, I don't care.
  3. shtatsov
    
    +1
    
    2 February 2022 00: 06
    
    Those who are adequate understand this. Perhaps that is why Russia does not come to the war. Although offers to hit another 2014 shaft. Unfortunately, we may not be left with a choice. Yes, and restore the state more than Crimea, and even in a crisis! We are not American occupiers. Here you will definitely become a pacifist.
avia12005

-1

1 February 2022 14: 52

The sooner it starts, if it starts, the better. Until Ukraine was given something more serious than javelins and stringers
Two

0

1 February 2022 14: 55

There are such enterprising people!
Servisinzhener

+7

1 February 2022 15: 16

I'm certainly not an expert. But it seems strange to me that they are developing and approving a plan now, simultaneously with the transfer of forces. And they do not transfer troops according to a developed and approved plan.
lis-ik

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1 February 2022 15: 23

The fighters are wearing muzzles, and this is probably the main thing at the moment. After all, we are all fighting an enemy stronger than all the armed forces of the leading powers of the world! And also very profitable.
Ros 56

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1 February 2022 15: 33

Have you imposed a striped resolution? If not, then it's rubbish, like the developers themselves.
Roman1970_1

-1

1 February 2022 15: 34

According to Eduard Basurin, the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Sergei Shaptala, is preparing to present the developed offensive plan

And how does he know? Does he have Stirlitz in the General Staff?
vintorez

-1

1 February 2022 15: 39

The intelligence of the DPR has reported so many times about the plans for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that it is already hard to believe that it can generally conduct normal intelligence, especially at this level. Let them better strengthen the defense, and not sit in the old trenches, scouts.
1. Arkadich
  
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  1 February 2022 15: 47
  
  They also have the benefit of heating up the situation, keeping the population in good shape, and most importantly, reminding Russia of themselves.
  1. vintorez
    
    -3
    
    1 February 2022 15: 51
    
    Reminding Russia for them is the main task, nobody wants to fight. It's much better with someone else's hands.
2. Fission power
  
  0
  
  2 February 2022 11: 57
  
  Because the Armed Forces of Ukraine really plan this offensive every time? There is no need to clown here. How many times wolves appear from behind the forest, so much you need to shout "Wolves!" this moment.
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1. Arkadich
  
  +3
  
  1 February 2022 16: 15
  
  What makes you think that there are no warehouses, do you think shells are relayed from the city of Balakliya? Everything is there, including warehouses, hospitals, repair shops and other necessary infrastructure. A grouping of troops numbering 50-70 thousand, has now been brought up to 120 thousand, has it been trampling around in a bare field for 8 years?
Seld

+1

1 February 2022 16: 14

Here it is interesting to me:
if now to ask the population of the DNRLNR:
“You still don’t regret your speeches against the Kiev junta in 2014, knowing now that you had to live in this mess for 8 years, and maybe you will have to continue? At the same time, keep in mind that your relatives have died and will still die!”.
To that Gutar that: those volosts and regions of Ukraine that did not follow the path of the DPRLNR objectively live in peace. Yes yes yes yes yes yes! This is an irrelevant fact! Let people in Ukraine live poorly and poor, but "their" dad and mom are alive. Yes, there are fascists and Benderites all around, but no one is shelling their houses. Here, Kharkovites or Odessans, for example. In fact - the Russian people, Russian-speaking. It turns out that they did wrong by not following the path of the DPRLNR and not turning their homes into targets?
And don't be shy! We must tell them the truth! Like, "Oh, you, you went the wrong way! You didn't believe in the RF MOSC! They would take an example from the DPRLNR! and you -" not like the current tribe, the heroes are not you.
What did the residents of the DPRLNR hope for? For an early entry into the Russian Federation with Russian passports? On a peaceful life and all the social security that citizens of the Russian Federation rely on? The fact that the Russian army will come, protect and restore order? They were promised in a month, a maximum of six months, everything will be done beautifully? And they believed?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Schaz, I feel, the "patriots" will howl: "it's the Khakhls who are shelling civilians!"
Yes, they are shelling, I agree and immediately ask: "didn't analysts in the Kremlin foresee such a development of events?" Oh, they didn’t provide for ..... Well, it’s expected, in principle.

Citizens of the DPRLNR have forgotten about politicians and diplomats! For whom people are expendable and fertile material on the path of career growth!
What was all this for? For 8 years, Lavrov and his team have not achieved anything. The result is 0,0. As a professional (so that Zakharova would not lick about him) Lavrov - zeroЁout! I mean, zeroОth. From the number "zero". He's already old.
Blablabla-blablabla-blablabla-blablabla-blablabla-blablabla.
1. Rushnairfors
  
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  1 February 2022 16: 37
  
  Seld, well, you can’t argue with you, I basically have the same opinion! And I see only one way out - urgently recognize the independence of the LDNR, let them shower us with sanctions, but this is a real way out. Well, either hold a referendum similar to the Crimean one, in any case, it is less likely that the Slavs will start to wet the Slavs to the delight of the United States and Europe
svoit

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1 February 2022 16: 54

Quote: 1976AG
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Quote: sustav75
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Р¦РёС‚Р°С‚Р°: Borislav
Some time ago, DPR intelligence announced an impending provocation with the use of chemical weapons.

РќСѓ РμСѓр »Рё РёРѕРμ РѕРμ РіРѕРіРѕСђСџС ,, R · РѕР ° С ‡ РёС, СѓР¶Рμ РїРѕРґРѕРѕС,РѕРіРіР» РёСѓСњ РІРѕРμСѓР »Рё РІ РїР »РμРμРѕ Рѕ Рё СѓРєРѕСђРѕРμСђРґСџС ,.
Seld

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1 February 2022 17: 19

Quote: Rushnairfors
Seld, well, you can’t argue with you, I basically have the same opinion! And I see only one way out - urgently recognize the independence of the LDNR, let them shower us with sanctions, but this is a real way out. Well, either hold a referendum similar to the Crimean one, in any case, it is less likely that the Slavs will start to wet the Slavs to the delight of the United States and Europe

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Р'РµСЗРЅРѕ РґРµСЂР¶Р°С‚СЊ Р»СЋРґРµР№ Р·Р° РґСѓСЂР°РєРѕРІ РµС‰С' РЅРё Сѓ РєРѕРіРѕ РЅРµ РїРѕР»СѓСЗР°РѕЊСЃ!!!!! РњРЅРѕРіРёРµ СЌС‚Рѕ РЅР° СЃРІРѕРµР№ С€РєСѓСЂРєРµ РѕРїСЂРѕ±РѕРІР°Р»Рё, РЅР°С‡РёРЅР°СЏ СЃ 1917.
1. Olga
  
  +2
  
  1 February 2022 21: 18
  
  Maybe you’ll say more, in 1941 you should have thought about it. There are fans to speculate on this topic too.
  Not for everyone, the homeland is where the fifth point is warm.
  After-knowledge is like this ... after the events, we know how it was necessary, how to command troops and govern the state.
  In 2014, we could not afford to return Donbas together with Crimea. For a simple reason - Donbas was not the same as it is now. It is now from the LDNR that most of those who do not consider themselves Russians or simply watch from the side (my hut is on the edge) have left.
  Then, in 2014, the support of the population for Russia in Crimea was incomparably high compared to the Donbass.
  The MND and the LNR could not agree among themselves until September 30, 2021. Everyone shared portfolios. LDNR enterprises continued to pay taxes to Kiev in 2019 for sure (I don’t know how it is now).
  In 2011 I was in the Crimea. Then I was surprised by their belief that they would someday return to Russia, although, in 2011, nothing foreshadowed.
  I sincerely feel sorry for the people of Donbass. But, just, it was the desire to sit at home that let them down. People came out, but there was no such unity as in the Crimea.
  I think that everything will be decided in the near future.
  
  PS
  Quote: seld
  Many have tried it on their own skin since 1917
  
  I don’t know, I didn’t live in 2017, therefore, I won’t talk about the skin. I understand that this is a given. And it is not known whether I was destined to be born without this given.
  Of course, I understand that you had nobles in your family (otherwise the meaning of your words is lost) and you lost all privileges in 2017, but you should not speak for many.
  
  History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.
Ramon Mercader

0

1 February 2022 18: 26

Having a plan is not yet an offensive. But in general, while it happens as I expected. In theory, the offensive should take place in the near future, and as a natural result - a large-scale "peace enforcement".
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Mikhail Alekseev_2

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1 February 2022 22: 02

Unfortunately, February is going to be hot. The United States does not lose anything by sending an army to die coming out - but on the contrary, they acquire pluses. So we are waiting for the Olympics, I think ...
Kaufman

-1

2 February 2022 09: 25

Shoes are different for everyone, some kind of sneakers.
Seld

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2 February 2022 09: 52

Quote: Olga
Maybe you’ll say more, in 1941 you should have thought about it. There are fans to speculate on this topic too.
Not for everyone, the homeland is where the fifth point is warm.
After-knowledge is like this ... after the events, we know how it was necessary, how to command troops and govern the state.
In 2014, we could not afford to return Donbas together with Crimea. For a simple reason - Donbas was not the same as it is now. It is now from the LDNR that most of those who do not consider themselves Russians or simply watch from the side (my hut is on the edge) have left.
Then, in 2014, the support of the population for Russia in Crimea was incomparably high compared to the Donbass.
The MND and the LNR could not agree among themselves until September 30, 2021. Everyone shared portfolios. LDNR enterprises continued to pay taxes to Kiev in 2019 for sure (I don’t know how it is now).
In 2011 I was in the Crimea. Then I was surprised by their belief that they would someday return to Russia, although, in 2011, nothing foreshadowed.
I sincerely feel sorry for the people of Donbass. But, just, it was the desire to sit at home that let them down. People came out, but there was no such unity as in the Crimea.
I think that everything will be decided in the near future.

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Quote: seld
Many have tried it on their own skin since 1917

I don’t know, I didn’t live in 2017, therefore, I won’t talk about the skin. I understand that this is a given. And it is not known whether I was destined to be born without this given.
Of course, I understand that you had nobles in your family (otherwise the meaning of your words is lost) and you lost all privileges in 2017, but you should not speak for many.

History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.

Madam! Or even Mademoiselle!
Forgive me generously, but - I didn’t understand! What does 1941 have to do with it?!?!?!?!
For you, an attack by an external enemy and a civil war are one and the same?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! But then - we're definitely talking about different things. I tell you - about fishing, you tell me - about the fair.
He did not give an assessment of the correctness and incorrectness of actions (in part of the mess in the DNRLNR).
BUT tried to draw attention to a process that has no end in sight.
In my work I am a small, and even a small, leader. So, if my subordinates performed my task for 8 years (KARL!!!!!!! 8 years!!!!!), we would have to leave. I don't need a process! I have always been interested in the result (with reasonable labor costs) in the most quickly-reasonable terms. I hate reports on the work done, where there is no result. AND in terms of the DNRLR, we have exactly the process! Or nipraf? Is there already a result? Missed something?
Do not be offended, please, but if at work you work for the sake of the process (and reports on sluggish movements), and you deeply don’t care about the result, we would not work together. But in the Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation you would make a career, 100%! At work, I communicate with the staff of the diplomatic corps. Good guys! You will love it there!
"Not for everyone, the homeland is where the fifth point is warm." - do not be "an ostrich with a head in asphalt". The life and nature of a person is arranged exactly like this: "homeland is where the fifth point is warm." Otherwise, where do millions of refugees come from in search of "warmth"?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Or are you not aware?
And just don’t, please leave again in 1941 (and why, by the way, in 1941?!?!?! You don’t know other dates? There was still a “little-known” 1938!!!!!! not 1939; google it, there was a lot of interesting, and about the "5th point", including). C'est la vie, as the Nicaraguans say...
And it is not enough to be a "count or a nobleman" in order to talk about 1917. One can draw conclusions and parallels, being one of ours, "from workers, from peasants." Read for interest, how society reacted to the CIVIL WAR IN RI.
Regards and stay healthy, please!
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  2 February 2022 19: 03
  
  Monsieur! Don or Sir! (Underline whatever applicable)
  
  Quote: seld
  understood nothing! What does 1941 have to do with it?
  
  What caused the civil war in Donbass?
  Perhaps you got carried away with the process and forgot the root cause?
  
  Quote: seld
  I am a small, and even a small, leader. So, if my subordinates performed my task for 8 years (KARL!!!!!!! 8 years!!!!!), we would have to leave.
  
  This is what distinguishes the level of leadership from the strategy and the level of tactician leaders focused on execution, or on the principle of "here and now."
  By the way, tell me how long the issue of, for example, Cyprus, Kashmir, Taiwan or Kosovo is being resolved?
  And if you propose to resolve the issue as in 1939, then remind me how it ended?
  Not the actual collapse of the League of Nations and the world massacre?
  
  Quote: seld
  At work, I communicate with the staff of the diplomatic corps. Good guys! You will love it there!
  
  Quote: seld
  Is there already a result? Missed something?
  
  Haven't these guys shared with you an insider about the goal and the planned result that you are waiting for?
  The haberdasher and the cardinals... that's strength! (WITH)
  
  Quote: seld
  The life and nature of a person is arranged exactly like this: "homeland is where the fifth point is warm."
  
  This is your mentality. Fortunately, the word sell (Seld) identifies itself with a minority (in the amount of statistical error). Regarding this topic.
  
  Quote: seld
  talk about 1917. You can draw conclusions and parallels, being from ours, "from the workers, from the peasants." Read for interest, how society reacted to the CIVIL WAR IN RI.
  
  And yet, knowledge of French is given to you as a true descendant of South American white immigrants ....
  (An anecdote. When I was a child, my parents, when they cursed, spoke foreign words, but they said "sorry for my French." When I went to school, the teacher asked the question "who knows foreign languages?" .... As it turned out, I didn’t knew French...
  How society reacted shows us the outcome of that civil war.
  In general, studying the history of Russia only from newspaper articles and memoirs is the same as studying the history of France from The Three Musketeers.
  
  PS "Do not believe everything that is written on the Internet" (V.I. Lenin)
  
  And you don't get sick either!
Seld

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3 February 2022 11: 25

Quote: Olga
Monsieur! Don or Sir! (Underline whatever applicable)

Quote: seld
understood nothing! What does 1941 have to do with it?

What caused the civil war in Donbass?
Perhaps you got carried away with the process and forgot the root cause?

Quote: seld
I am a small, and even a small, leader. So, if my subordinates performed my task for 8 years (KARL!!!!!!! 8 years!!!!!), we would have to leave.

This is what distinguishes the level of leadership from the strategy and the level of tactician leaders focused on execution, or on the principle of "here and now."
By the way, tell me how long the issue of, for example, Cyprus, Kashmir, Taiwan or Kosovo is being resolved?
And if you propose to resolve the issue as in 1939, then remind me how it ended?
Not the actual collapse of the League of Nations and the world massacre?

Quote: seld
At work, I communicate with the staff of the diplomatic corps. Good guys! You will love it there!

Quote: seld
Is there already a result? Missed something?

Haven't these guys shared with you an insider about the goal and the planned result that you are waiting for?
The haberdasher and the cardinals... that's strength! (WITH)

Quote: seld
The life and nature of a person is arranged exactly like this: "homeland is where the fifth point is warm."

This is your mentality. Fortunately, the word sell (Seld) identifies itself with a minority (in the amount of statistical error). Regarding this topic.

Quote: seld
talk about 1917. You can draw conclusions and parallels, being from ours, "from the workers, from the peasants." Read for interest, how society reacted to the CIVIL WAR IN RI.

And yet, knowledge of French is given to you as a true descendant of South American white immigrants ....
(An anecdote. When I was a child, my parents, when they cursed, spoke foreign words, but they said "sorry for my French." When I went to school, the teacher asked the question "who knows foreign languages?" .... As it turned out, I didn’t knew French...
How society reacted shows us the outcome of that civil war.
In general, studying the history of Russia only from newspaper articles and memoirs is the same as studying the history of France from The Three Musketeers.

PS "Do not believe everything that is written on the Internet" (V.I. Lenin)

And you don't get sick either!

Excuse me from the end: not a nobleman, but I speak French. At the "chat" level. And not only. It so happened that I have an attitude to international politics by virtue of a diploma of education. Although, it would be better if he could build something or treat someone. Honestly, frankly...

"By the way, tell me how long the issue of, for example, Cyprus, Kashmir, Taiwan or Kosovo is being resolved?"- THE TOPIC is actually closed there, because - there is no CIVIL war there and people are not killed there (in any case, residential areas are not massively shelled). Point. And the legal status and cross-border demarcations (they found out, recognized, did not recognize, learned, realized) - pure water juridical chicanery!!!!
Look, for education, for example, when the USSR was recognized by the United States. I'm sure you'll be surprised. And - nothing, were friends, traded.

1938 - WHAT does the league of nations have to do with it?!?!?! I tried to convey to you a historical fact (and a fact is something factual!) Clearly regarding the "fifth point". I don't care about 1939 (this year is already a derivative of the 1938 event)!!!!!! wrote to you about 1938, there and it was then that it all began in the part of the "fifth point of people." You didn't even bother to google 1938. Yes, that's fine.
Look, by the way, in official sources (yes, the same federal channels of the Russian Federation !!!) the number of (actual and "hidden") refugees from Africa, from Asia, from Ukraine, from the Baltic states, from ..... DNRLR (?!?!?!?!). And who do you think they are? Traitors? They don't love their homeland?!?!?!?!?! Looking for warmth for their fifth point? ...

"What caused the civil war in Donbass? Perhaps you got carried away with the process and forgot the root cause?"- AMAZING! amazing !!!!!!! More races: I don't care about the root causes! I'm deeply on the drum of the "process" of peace negotiations
between / with DNRLNR and others.!!!!! You, for clarity and reflection: if there is hemorrhoids, it is very important to know the cause? Very important process treatment? Will it suit you for 8 years to have .... mmm .... haemorrhoids? No, well, so, in the end, comfortable?
important to me personally result! And you can see.
И for people in the DPR LPR for the 8th year of "negotiations" the result is also important. Something tells me...
Not a satrap! And I ask for the result (I DO NOT demand it !!!) from my colleagues (as I wrote earlier here) in a reasonable time and with reasonable labor costs. But I always ask you not to bring the situation to the point of absurdity and chatter with reports "about the working sluggish process".

I don't have any insiders. The level of diplomats with whom I communicate is either former or consuls (including former ones). "Consul" in the table of ranks - see, please, yourself. Easily find.
Yours!

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